July 14 1974 LA
Svarūpa Dāmodara: We were discussing that in all the living bodies, we have these innumerable cells, living cells. And in these cells… We were just discussing whether the Paramātmā and the jīvātmā is still there even in the living cells.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: It is. It is there. So actually our body's a combination of these so many living entities.
Prabhupāda: Atoms, yes. Why not? The every living entity is one ten-thousandth part of the tip of a hair. So many hairs are there. And that is one ten-thousandth part of the top of the hair. Where is the difficulty.
Bali Mardana: So there is one jīvātma who's in control of the body. The others are subservient.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Jīvātma is everywhere. But you have got your own field. Just like for agricultural purpose you have got a big field, but there are so many millions of microbes and…
Bali Mardana: Yes.
Prabhupāda: But it is your field. Not that when you go out of the field one of them becomes you. No, that is not. That is individuality. When you leave, you leave your field. That's all.
Bali Mardana: So when we leave the field, then the other cells in the body also leave their field.
Prabhupāda: Yes, therefore the germs come out as soon as it is proper time. So these nonsense, they do not know that, that the… Creating life, the ingredients… If they say that material combination makes life, so material combination is there already. Why the, that man is not coming? That is… He's individual, and they are also individual. I have got my field. I am individual. I leave it. But because there are so many other microbes, they will come as me. No, that is not possible.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, yes, but temporarily, I cannot live without them.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I cannot live in my body without them.
Prabhupāda: Without them… You cannot live with this material body without so many conditions. And that is also one of the conditions. You cannot live. Any condition, little disturbed… You become diseased; you become disturbed. So therefore it is called conditional life. You simply live here on condition. And spiritual life means no condition. If the condition is favorable, then your senses will act. Otherwise you have got useless senses. If there is light, then you can see. You can become proud of your eyes. "Can you show me God?" And what you can see, rascal? If God gives you light, then you can see. You see under condition. And still, he's very proud of his eyes. "Can you show me God?" This is going on. Rascal, what you can see?
Devotees: Watch out! (ocean water apparently comes up to devotees.)
Jayatīrtha: Hare Kṛṣṇa! Ah. Govinda.
Jayatīrtha: The water's coming up to touch your lotus feet, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: (loud waves) So we are conditioned. And still, we are searching out the truth. What is your truth? You are conditioned.
Bali Mardana: So they only end up with a conditioned truth, a relative truth.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The more you are not conditioned, the more your finding out truth is perfect. But it is not possible for you to become completely unconditioned. That is not possible. That is mukta puruṣa, liberated. Therefore we have to take knowledge from the person who is not conditioned. That is perfect knowledge. And one who is conditioned, what is the value of his giving knowledge? So therefore we don't accept any knowledge from the conditioned souls. Conditioned soul is imperfect by the four deficiencies. Bhrama, pramadā… He must commit mistake. So what is the value of his knowledge? There is no value. We take knowledge from the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is unconditioned. There is a verse in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavata: eṣad īśānām īśasya. That is God. God means He becomes, He comes within this material world, but He's not conditioned. That is Kṛṣṇa.
Some Conclusions – A few points Srila Prabhupada makes in the above conversation. The first one is that millions of souls inhabit our bodies, but only one controls this “field of activity” called the material body. And when that one soul leaves that body at death it is not that any of the millions of other souls now take charge of that body. Next point is that we are conditioned within this body. Without sunlight or some light source our eyes are useless, they wont work. So this condition and thousands of others keeps up locked up in a conditional state. The more we are free from these “conditions: the more we approach the Absolute Truth who is not conditioned in any way.
►May 27, 1974 Conversations Prabhupada: No, no. These varieties… Suppose you grow half a dozen different types of vegetables. So from this half a dozen you can make three dozen varieties. If you are a good cooker. So the varieties of enjoyment will be fulfilled. We have got some desire of different quality of varieties. That you can make. From milk, vegetable, grains, the three things, you can make three hundred varieties.
►May 27, 1974 Conversations Prabhupada: Yes, it will go on, but when they will see that your ideal community is better than city life, people will take to it. Param drstva nivartate. When one gets a better standard of life, naturally he will give up the lower standard of life.
June 02, 1974 Conversations Prabhupada: Wasteful, yes. Therefore I say they have no brain. All, they are rascals. Rascal leaders. A little labor in agriculture will be sufficient to produce the family’s food stock for the whole year. You can stock. You work only three months, and you get sufficient food for your whole family. And less nine months, you chant Hare Krsna. But these rascals will not do that. They will work hard like ass simply for eating. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti. They will not accept easy life.