Jiv Jago Rocana Prabhu !!!
Dear Rocana Prabhu,(Sampradaya Sun Staff, Editors, Better Half etc)
Please accept my obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Thank you for your latest e mail reply (below this message) and partial reply in your new article “In defense of Jitarati” on http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/06-12/editorials8649.htm in response to our e mail titled “Reply To Rocana das’s Obnoxious Article”.
It really is so sad to see from your reply how much of a huge false ego you have and how much desperate you are, now that you have been caught red-handed with your hand still stuck painfully in the cookie jar and your foot in your mouth since the past 144 hours starting from the 7th of June when you posted your article http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/06-12/editorials8640.htm on your Sampradaya Sun website till today, the 13th of June and unfortunately continuing on with no end in sight.
Please understand that nobody would have/will hold anything against you if you simply admit your serious mistakes and offences to the respective devotees mentioned in our previous article that you have offended, and beg for forgiveness from them. But by constantly going in denial mode and throwing out so many silly pathetic reasons to justify your behaviour, and demanding inconceivable unreasonable imaginary ‘evidences’ typical of the mad scientist mode, as you have done in your latest reply, you are just losing respect for yourself practically unlimitedly from so many devotees. You are also incurring Lord Krishna’s curse and Srila Prabhupad’s anger towards you.
We regret to inform you that your latest reply to us is most illogical, cunning, full of diversion tactics arguments unfortunately presented to somehow or other extricate yourself from this self created mess and self inflicted pain of yours. Anyway because your foot is still stuck in your mouth, we fully understand the awkward position your tongue is experiencing, from your twisted perverted jargon language in your reply to us. Your many pathetic excuses is just not going to fly, simply because thank God (Lord Krsna) some Truth still prevails on this planet, fallen as it is by the influence of Kali Yuga.
For your kind information Jitarati Prabhu had just finished printing 24,000 copies of the Chinese Bhagavad Gita and the Srimad Bhagavatams at the time Sakshi Gopal and Shyamasundara were engaged in propagating their blasphemous articles (around Nov 2011).He is now working on reprinting a further additional copies of the same. He has been practically distributing them for less than cost, and in many cases actually donating them simply for the sake of preaching Srila Prabhupad’s teachings. Jitarati also arranges and sponsors yearly distribution of a big quantity of different kinds of English books of Srila Prabhupada to different centers in different countries, and he has been maintaining this programme since many years.
A few months before Nov 2011, Jitarati Prabhu had just finished producing a few hundred life size Deities of Srila Prabhupada and around 1,000 small and medium size Dieties of Srila Prabhupada. He is now making further arrangements to reproduce more of them. These have/are being distributed for practically at cost price or as donations simply to give many devotees the chance to worship Srila Prabhupada. Please open the attachments in this e mail for your reference. This is just one small sample of devotional service Jitarati Prabhu has been/is doing just since the past year, what to speak of steadily being engaged in similar service since the past 38 years.
Now Rocana Prabhu, our humble request to you is that for the first time in your life kindly use your intelligence (if you have any left) properly, and consider- Are these the symptoms of a person who is engaged in defending blasphemous articles against Srila Prabhupada, Krsna and the bona fide Sastras?
You are sleeping deeply in a corner of your own small narrow minded world room and in the bed of useless lamentation at not being able to convince the devotees to accept your imagined reform for the Guru system in Iskcon, and so you cruelly attacked them in your article. Yet you are unfortunately not aware of even one such devotee’s service magnitude to Srila Prabhupada, and foolishly risk destroying your own spiritual life just for even the one offence of unnecessarily without a piece of single solid evidence, concocting that Jitarati is supporting Sakshi Gopal das in his nefarious blasphemous activities.
And not being satisfied in your deriding to the maximum Tattva Prabhu and other devotees that were present at his incarceration in writing, you go so far as to unnecessary display pictures and photos of them at their difficult times, in public. This further purposeful condemnation on your part is indeed a very disgusting display of your continued non-stop cruelty and deep causeless and useless envy and anger you have towards anyone against your concocted alien UFO Guru ‘Sampradaya Acarya’ Philosophy.
How would you feel if anyone displayed pictures of yourself in an awkward condition, in public, especially after yourself already having gone through the most difficult times of trial of humiliation and punishment? We can understand Beef eating Karmis doing so to each other, but since you claim to be a disciple of Srila Prabhupada and the Founder of the UFO Sampradaya Acarya Philosophy, yes Srila Prabhupada would really ‘be highly pleased’ with you for further putting down a devotee and giving him more pain than he has already been suffering in the form of humiliation and punishment for his personal behaviour. ‘Excellent’!!
Please note the following points below in our reply to your latest statements for you to urgently apply in your sticky hands as a very effective balm lotion in installments to try to relieve you from your dog like stubborn attitude. It would help all the more for you to understand that it is Shyamasundara das, and not Jitarati Prabhu that was/is involved with Sakshi directly in his blasphemous articles if you simply just shed away some of that massive false ego. We say some, and not all, as we understand it is not easy on your part having observed your nature from the many articles posted by yourself in your own website as self glorification directly/indirectly since the past many years.
You wrote: “You offer three BIF webpage links that supposedly support your
claim, but we find no mention of Shyamasundara anywhere on those pages”.
Our reply: The link to Sakshi’s articles sent to you on our previous letter was simply to confirm to yourself some samples of the most henious blasphemy mentioned there against Srila Prabhupada, Krsna, and the Sastras. It was never meant for you to be able to see Shyamasundar’s name directly on them as indeed even Sakshi’s name is not mentioned in them, and they are generally signed as BIF. You knew that very well, but have just mentioned this point as a diversion tactic to buy you out some more time so that you can figure out how you can wiggle yourself from not admitting your mistakes and offences. By this logic of Sakshi’s name not in those articles, are we all to assume that Sakshi is not the author of these articles? No, because even an eight year old retarded kid knows this fact which we hope you will not embarrass yourself further by even disputing this point.
You wrote: “Give us published material that can be confirmed as having pre-existed on the web -- not something that could have been posted yesterday and back-dated. If you're citing web references that are bona fide historical footprints, they'll be logged into the Wayback machine and can be easily confirmed. Otherwise, we find nothing to support your claims. The correspondence you offer as evidence is itself very unconvincing. The emails don't have full headers, the fonts don't match the flow of what is supposedly original/quoted vs. response material, thus the likelihood that the material is contrived seems quite high “.
Our reply: With all respect the only likelihood of any material going high is the speculative brain substances imbedded in your brain high in your head. I have presented you the evidence in black and white of Shyamasundar’s initial e mail to me on Nov 17th 2011 with the exact time, other details, etc as would naturally be available when one forwards any message on this planet at least.
I have followed the normal procedure of forwarding an e mail to you, I have done it as a matter of fact, whether it has full headers or half or quarter headers and why the Fonts don’t match the flow of what is supposedly original/quoted vs response material, all these diversion tactics and silly technical questions of yours about bonafide historical footprints and logging into a Wayback machine, (whatever the hell that means), you can please reserve them for the Founder of Microsoft Word Mr Bill Gates etc. After speaking to him and also the demigods in the heavenly planets who are expert in composing flowery literature in the best of Heavenly Fonts, then please contact me with their instructions on what type of forwarded message and in what style of Fonts would best convince you so that you can believe us.
Regarding why different Fonts are shown, I can only give you my amateur, yet common sense suggestion that the reason may be was because Shyamasundar das used one type of fonts in his e mail and I used another at the time, and that is how exactly I forwarded to you regardless of how awkward and un-professional it may look like to you, Mr Computer Wiz! Anyway if you are such a Computer Wiz as you claim to be, the onus is on you to contact these personalities mentioned above and get back to me with your selection of Fonts and ‘Way back’ machines.
The very word you used “Way” and “Back”, indicates with all respect that your brain is Way Back out there in some time wrapped machine, hence you also use the word “Machine”. Therefore kindly get out of this “WayBack” time wrapped mentality of suspecting every devotee on the planet to be as devious, dishonest, cunning, and an open liar as you are, that you dare accuse others of submitting to you false e mails etc as evidence. Please get into the “Way Forward” Machine for a change, to enable you to find your Way Back inside the circle of devotees (who have long rejected you) by admitting your stupid faults of unnecessarily offending Jitarati Prabhu when there was no such case in the very first place. Indeed the point of you mentioning him defending Shaksi’s blasphemous statements had never ever existed in the very first place.
The e mail of Shyamasundar was in regards to his propping up of Shakshi, and was a reply to me when I first brought up with him the point of Sakshi’s initial blasphemous article “Grand theft atma”. There he clearly mentions the following words which you falsely claimed in your recent article to be “Jitarati’s defence of Sakshi Gopal’s offensive denigration of Srila Prabhupada, the Vedas, and the Lord Himself”.
“It's just that he's (Shaksi) not catering to the appetite of ISKCON devotees or ISKCON reformers; they are no longer BIF's target audience”
A few days later after this e mail exchange, Shyamasundara das came to Hongkong as he has been coming for the past many years. We met in a Buddhist Temple complete with 5 Golden 50ft Dieties of Lord Buddha, the incarnation of Krsna. There in a restaurant, we exchanged many conversation details regarding our recent e mail exchanges and about Shaksi Gopal’s blasphemous articles, where he mentioned that he and Sakshi’s faith in Srila Prabhupada was practically lost, owing to seeing so much degradation of Iskcon on the Guru issue, etc and that he was now closely working with Sakshi Gopal and personally assisting Sakshi Gopal on his articles, and in handling the correspondence, editing, proof reading and follow up to responses etc and other details of BIF.
Shyamasundar said that he personally did not feel the articles were blasphemous, and although I tried to convince him otherwise on the points made in those articles and we went through quite a few discussions, i could see that he was not going to immediately change. It was at this point where i realized internally that my relationship with him was practically over, but still because of previous friendship, and to give him the benefit of doubt with the hope that he would soon change his dangerous course, his name was purposely not mentioned in the article " BIF, Sakshi Gopal das Blaspheme Lord Krishna, Srila Prabhupada, Bhagavad-gita". and only mentioned indirectly as “Sakshi Gopal das’s close associate and chief right (wrong) hand man”.
Unfortunately Rocana Prabhu you have misunderstood this person to be Jitarati Prabhu, and when we honestly tried to explain to you in our first e mail, you come back with all these denials and diversionary tactics. I can personally vow all these above mentioned exchanges both in e mail and in person with Shyamasundara das before the Diety of Srila Prabhupada and Krsna. Are you willing to take a vow before the Diety of Srila Prabhupada and Krsna that you are convinced that the person assisting Sakshi Gopal in his blasphemous literatures is Jitarati Prabhu and not Shyamasundar das?
Please also kindly do not come back to me asking for a video taped CD of this meeting or a “Way Back machine” recording this incident as there never was one. But we do have the witness of Lord Buddha who is the incarnation of Lord Krsna, and that is better than any Way back machine for evidence. Unfortunately I am not at all as pure as the Brahmin who was able to bring the Sakshi Gopal Diety in front of everyone, nor do I have the capacity to deal with your inconceivable technical ‘Way back’ interrogation of, for example how many living entities in the form of microbes were available in the restaurant that day, how many people were sitting in the restaurant that day, which color clothes were they wearing on that day etc etc?
You wrote: “So while there is ample evidence of Jitarati's association with Sakshi, we have no such evidence that Shyamasundara was instead his 'right hand man'. Where are the archival footprints establishing the close relationship between Shyamasundara and Sakshi? “
Our reply: Where is your ample evidence of Jitarati’s association with Sakshi that has validity today with what we are discussing? Till this day you have produced none, zero. Let us see it!. You are bringing up the past desperately as much as one could use your intimate association with so many Bogus Iskcon Gurus in the past as evidence of your support of the present Iskcon Bogus Guru system. But for your case you would claim it as unfair, and in Jitarati’s case because previously in the long past he and other devotees had worked with Sakshi on the poison issue, but have long abandoned his association as mentioned to you in our previous e mail, since 2007, you still use this excuse in the most hypocritical manner to try to put him down for this act.
You know very well being an international website master keeper since the past many years,and being informed of so many events around the world body of devotees that BIF has long been working without Jitarati, Mandapa Prabhu and others, still hypocritically you bring up this old matter for your own material benefit to seeth your uncontrollable anger and hatred towards any devotees not in line with your UFO Guru project.
Also your very mention of the words “archival footprints” is total nonsense, as the connection between Shyamasundara and Sakshi is not obviously some sacred spiritual Vaikuntha type relationship, that you would even consider giving it the word “archival” as we do for Srila Prabhupad’s books tapes etc. This is a relationship of two individuals who served in Iskcon before and went through a few bogus Iskcon Gurus, then tried to work with other devotees on reforming Iskcon, but unfortunately could not even reform their own huge false egos as much as you have failed, and now in utter desperation and frustration have resorted to blaming Srila Prabhupada, Krsna and the scriptures for their personal failures.
Even if you argue that materialists also keep an archival footprint of their associates, these two persons are worse than ordinary materials, and so which sane person would bother even entertaining the thought of keeping archival footprints of two of the greatest blasphemers on the earth planet at present. If you want to do it at your own peril and worship those footprints daily, don’t try to dump your insane thoughts on us, or use them as a diversion tactic for your serious mistake of offending Jitarati Prabhu and other devotees.
You wrote: “We never said Jitarati had anything to do with Sakshi writing his recent blasphemous articles”
Our reply: On http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/06-12/editorials8640.htm you mentioned that “The article " BIF, Sakshi Gopal das Blaspheme Lord Krishna, Srila Prabhupada, Bhagavad-gita". describes Jitarati's defense of Sakshi Gopal's offensive denigration of Srila Prabhupada, the Vedas and the Lord Himself”: Even a half brain dude can understand your intentions, ie that you are trying to implicate Jitarati as being involved with Sakshis’ blasphemous articles. Again another diversion tactic.
You wrote: “ You say it was you, Jitarati and a few other devotees who submitted the original article to us denouncing Sakshi and BIF as blasphemers. We are willing to set the record straight, however, and note who the personalities are behind that article. Please send us a copy of the original article with full headers (we still have our copy) as proof that you are one of the original submitters, and tell us who the co-authors”
Our reply: Please find the detailed information reference: I had sent you the article BIF, Sakshi Gopal das Blaspheme Lord Krishna, Srila Prabhupada, Bhagavad-gita" on Tuesday November 29th 2011 at 7.58am from my other computer firstname.lastname@example.org which is sitting in the same room as this one i am writing you to. The article as mentioned before was a combined work of myself, Jitarati, and other devotees. It is irrelevant for you to know who the other co-authors are, when we have already given you two names, and since I do not have their permission to reveal their names. In any case it was our intention to remain anonymous, that is why it was submitted to you with the general title, but this has got nothing to do whatsoever with the fact that we are not behind it. Already you not believing in us is very offensive, still we have given you the important details you need such as the date, time, and the angle position of the headers, etc, so please do not come back with more rubbish questions on this point.
I have posted a copy of that article with the headers full, half, quarter, whichever way you look at it, on this message just immediately below your reply to me. Please scroll down below to see it. But because it is without the John Wayne Way Back Machine assistance, we know you probably again will not accept it as genuine.
Now other details such as how many microbe germs were existing in that room on the day when that article was sent to you, how many exact number of strand of hairs was on all our heads including yours on the day we sent you, and how many wrinkles there were on your face the day we had sent you etc, all these highly technical and inconceivable type of questions that you are in a habit of asking, you can reserve them for Sakshi and Shyamasundara das. You are so puffed up, that you will purposely not accept any proof and the truth from any devotee, and instead use all these outdated old fashioned pathetic diversion tricks which you can only fool yourself with.
You wrote: “You ranting at us about going to hell and the Yamaduttas doesn't change anything -- it only means we won't publish your
rant-like article”. - - - -Devaki nandana das, if you want to publish something in the Sun in support of Jitarati, please deliver it with proper citations, proper support documents, and without all the histrionic rhetoric. Then we'll consider publishing it”.
Our reply: You are so proud of your website that it has gone to your head and you think every one is desperate that their articles be published in your website, but we have got news for you and pay attention to this with your ears wide open. Our article “Reply To Rocana das’s Obnoxious Article” was never in the first place intended for you to print or publish on your own website. This is considering the history of your huge false ego, and also in the past rejecting many reasonable basic articles exposing the Iskcon Bogus Gurus, Poison issues, etc, what to speak of us to be so foolish to expect you to ever publish in public an article that exposes you personally so clearly and has caught you completely red handed.
The article was meant solely to chastise you personally, so that hopefully you could become humble and see your mistakes and apologize for your many grievious offences to so many devotees mentioned in your article. It really was meant for your spiritual purification, and our intention was actually to help you spiritually. You could however have taken the opportunity of making a public apology if you were sincere in your website without even publishing our article if you were humble enough to have had some spiritual realisations.
Unfortunately you have taken our intentions otherwise and become so defensive of your offences that in desperation you have made the most hypocritical, silliest diversion tactics remarks in your reply to us.
You would do yourself a favour and all the devotees by simply admitting your mistakes so that we can both use our time now after these exchanges to move on, or if you are foolish enough to want to continue with your hypocrisy and diversion tactics, then so be it.
As for ranting to you about going to hell, it is not me ranting, but Authorized Vedic Sastras approved by your spiritual master Srila Prabhupada ‘ranting’ at what happens to persons like you who commit such grievious offences to so many devotees. Here are a few quotations, which after you read ,we hope you do not act crazily by accusing your spiritual master of ranting.
You got off lightly by my ‘ranting’ that you are going to hell, now read the following quotes which get far more heavier and detailed by explaining specifically what you will be doing in hell, and how you will be engaged there.
The Hari-bhakti-vilāsa cites the following quotation from Skanda Purāṇa concerning the blaspheming of a Vaiṣṇava:
In this conversation between Mārkaṇḍeya and Bhagīratha, it is said: "My dear King, if one derides an exalted devotee, he loses the results of his pious activities, his opulence, his reputation and his sons. Vaiṣṇavas are all great souls. Whoever blasphemes them falls down to the hell known as Mahāraurava. He is also accompanied by his forefathers. Whoever kills or blasphemes a Vaiṣṇava and whoever is envious of a Vaiṣṇava or angry with him, or whoever does not offer him obeisances or feel joy upon seeing a Vaiṣṇava, certainly falls into a hellish condition."
The Hari-bhakti-vilāsa (10.314) also gives the following quotation from Dvārakā-māhātmya:
In a conversation between Prahlāda Mahārāja and Bali Mahārāja, it is said, "Those sinful people who blaspheme Vaiṣṇavas, who are all great souls, are subjected very severely to the punishment offered by Yamarāja."
In the Bhakti-sandarbha (313) there is a statement concerning the blaspheming of Lord Viṣṇu.
"One who criticizes Lord Viṣṇu and His devotees loses all the benefits accrued in a hundred pious births. Such a person rots in the Kumbhīpāka hell and is bitten by worms as long as the sun and moon exist. One should therefore not even see the face of a person who blasphemes Lord Viṣṇu and His devotees. Never try to associate with such persons"
Books : Sri Caitanya-caritamrta - 1975 Edition : Cc. Madhya-lila : Madhya 15: The Lord Accepts Prasada at the House of Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya : Madhya 15.261
Therefore Rocana Prabhu, you should thank yourself and your stars for just getting a light rant from me. Still, if you do not fear my rant, at least fear Sastras ‘rant’ so that you that you do not become an ant.
Devaki nandana das (Hongkong)